Posts by Conan The Barbarian

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Ten Years From Now .......

by Phizzy in

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what with the very low baptism rate, many leaving, many waking up and staying in for now, but not "zealous" any more, the wt/jw religion/scam is without doubt moribund.. i do not foresee a sudden end to the wt but what will it look llike in ten years time ??.

the late teens/early twenty year olds of today will i think be very thin on the ground as 30 year old jw's, so my view is that in ten years time it will be mainly old hardcore ones ,50 yr old and up, and even they will be aware that the org.

is dying..

Conan The Barbarian

My forecast is that in the Western world, there will be many disallusioned members that just decide to quit, or fade. I think the number will be significant. It will be well past 1914+100 and nothing has happened. It will be inexplicable to try and defend.

The main points from Conventions, Assemblies and Special days will be the same as now; endurance, faith, keep in expectation, etc. If you don't, you better examine yourself. What's wrong with you.

The growth will be experienced only really in the third world and developing countries. In the western countries the membership will be in serious decline and with them the money. The contributions from the third world and developing nations will be insufficient to support the existing organization's infrastructure, so cost cutting measures will be employed. The expensive Brooklyn Heights Real Estate will all be sold-off and the move to the country complete. The tax free capital gains will be the treasure chest.

Direct references in published material and discourses to 1914 will be diminishing if not totally eliminated by then. There will still be an embargo on higher education, but that will be eased-off of publically because of the prevailing circumstances of decline. The education topic will be just internal chit-chat among the BOE when decisions of appointment are being made.

Sadly, there will be countless disappointed and disallusioned members-exmembers, all because of what they were told and read. No excuses or appologies will help, or reverse the situation. Don't bother.

The WTS will be in the process of reinventing itself, as a social organism seeking survival even if it doesn't realize it.

Thank you Fredddy Franz for all of the decades of lunatic writting and practices that put this whole thing into motion.

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Was There Anything You Actually Enjoyed About Being A JW?

by MrFreeze in

i'm sure this question has been raised a lot but it is always good to look back.

the last 5 or 6 years of me being a jw, i did not have a very good go of it.

one thing i actually did enjoy was going to the international convention.

Conan The Barbarian

Back in the 1960's, I liked the chilie that was served at the Vircuit Assemblies. Other than that, nothing.

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Is the 10 Hour Per Month Requirement Still In Force?

by Conan The Barbarian in

are there any active elders/ms or higher out there who can advise if one of the requirements for appointment is that the person's fs time is equal to or greater than either the congregation's average or the national average?

this used to be the case, but may have been relaxed.

also is the branch still approving appointments?

Conan The Barbarian

Thanks to all for the input. I know for a fact that as late as 2006, MS/Elders/Pioneers wold not be appointed if they had less than 10 hours per month in FS, or had somekind of extenuating circumstances. I think that this has been relaxed in recent years to get more of the bystander men involved.

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Is the 10 Hour Per Month Requirement Still In Force?

by Conan The Barbarian in

are there any active elders/ms or higher out there who can advise if one of the requirements for appointment is that the person's fs time is equal to or greater than either the congregation's average or the national average?

this used to be the case, but may have been relaxed.

also is the branch still approving appointments?

Conan The Barbarian

Are there any active Elders/MS or higher out there who can advise if one of the requirements for appointment is that the person's FS time is equal to or greater than either the Congregation's average or the National Average? This used to be the case, but may have been relaxed. Also is the Branch still approving appointments? I heard that the Branch is out of it now. It is up to the BOE with the CO's sign-off. Any truth to that?

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Class action lawsuit - how does one get the ball rolling?

by sir82 in

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unless you've been living under a rock you know that a court in california has found the wts guilty of negligence in covering over child abuse, and the wts has ben ordered to pay $20 million + to the victim.. also, unless you've been living under a rock, you know that there are thousands, probably 10's of thousands, of similar victims of wts coverups regarding sexual abuse still out there.. now that the precedent has been set - now that the wts was not able to settle out of court, and has been found guilty - now that this is international news, and literally millions of people are aware of it - it seems that now may be the time to strike even more deeply.. i am not an attorney, but there are a few who post on the board, and others who have a deeper understanding of legal matters.. what would it take to begin a class action lawsuit against the wts?

how exactly does the process start?

does it matter which state it starts in?

Conan The Barbarian

One of the basic issues is that the victims, or in this case, Plaintiffs live in many different states, perhaps all 50 states. This may mean that the litigation be filed in Federal Court, not State Court. On what basis would a Federal Court hear the case? Is molestation a Federal crime? I think the way to determine the feasibility of this type of an action is: 1) Find a Law Firm that would take the case on a contingency basis. That means they get no money unless they win or there is a settlement. If they do win or settle, they get 30-40% of the money. This is a good incentive for a Lawyer. 2) Locate people that would wish to be part of the litigation. This could be done via a website, at least the initial contact. let the Lawyers take it from there.

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July 2012 Kingdom Ministry

by Conan The Barbarian in

i need a pdf of the july 2012 kingdom ministry.

does anyone have?.

Conan The Barbarian

I need a PDF of the July 2012 Kingdom Ministry. Does anyone have?

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WT's biggest gaffe ever?

by Pistoff in

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Conan The Barbarian

1975, the flip on the Generation, and now almost 1914+100 and nothing-just to mention a few. The legacy of Freddy Franz and his writtings will take 50 + years to slowly get rid of. The line out of vegas is betting that the 1914 date will be used less and less until 15-20 years from now, they will be sayin: "what about 1914?"

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Can one have their JW baptism annulled?? Seriously?

by mind blown in

would it be possible??

seriously.. i feel i was baptized under false pretense.

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Conan The Barbarian

The WTS will tell you that your years of association show that regardless of your complaint, you were a willing member subject to their ecclesiastical rules as a self-governing religion. If you want out, just write a letter withdrawing membership (disassociating) and you are out, with all the consequences. If you have the time, money and inclination, I would hire a lawyer that specializes in religious affairs (they are around). Start a law suit that says you want your membership/baptism annulled. I would state how the doctrine of the religion has changed since you joined and that this constitutes a material change to the agreement of membership, your faith and inner conscience no longer agrees with the changed doctrine, etc. Your Lawyer may be able to negotiate a settlement where they just let you go with out any announcements in lieu of a protratcted litigation (and the expense associated). Its all about the money, honey.

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I may be stepping down!

by Kool Jo in

so the co is in town...sorry i can't disclose much info....i haven't done anything wrong that warrants no longer serving as an ms....but the co is thinking of deleting me as an ms (my parents are aware)....i really hope he does as this will make my fade much more easier...... freedom is just around the corner i hope.... peace.

kool jo.

Conan The Barbarian

Play it cool and don't get upset or confrontational. If you haven't been warned, they probably will just talk to you about some deficiency and ask you to correct. If that is the case, consider moving to another Congregation. The present Congregation will send your cards and a letter where they won't recommend you, and then will announce that you have been deleted because you moved. It is a slam dunk. Then you can do as you wish.

you can do what you wish

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Six Degrees of Governing Body

by breakfast of champions in

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friends

just thought this might be interesting.

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.. if i understand this correctly, i am 2 degrees of separation from at least one gb member, meaning i personally know someone who personally knows a gb member.

Conan The Barbarian

I know one of them. He and his wife are two of the nicest people that I have ever met, or spent time with. Only encouraging. I don't have one bad thing to say about him.